David Powlison & worship leader Bob Kauflin chat about the similar roles of a worship leader and a Christian counselor during a break at the 2009 CCEF National Convention.

David Powlison (CCEF) & Bob Kauflin (Sovereign Grace Ministries) in Conversation (Part 1 of 2) Click here for Part 2

A few tidbits from this conversational feast:

Bob Kauflin
"A worship leader should never say, "Sing it like you mean it." We should always mean it."

"People walk in every Sunday with the problem that everything in their lives has become bigger than God."

"The worship leader links heart-stirring music with biblical truth…to let the Word of Christ dwell in people richly."

David Powlison
"Pay attention to the syntax of hymns. Some are about God, drawing our hearts toward Him. Others are unto God, giving our faith direct expression to God."

"Counseling needs to do more than analysis and problem-solving; it needs to evoke the thing it seeks to create."

"Biblical counseling is worship, and repentance, and faith, and hearing and loving and needing God…"

Watch for Part Two Later This Week!